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I'm toying with the idea of installing a cabin sole in my '76 Mark lll as a winter project. I've never seen one in a 27 but have heard rumours of their existence. One sage person whose advice I respect, said that they are made from thin teak/holly veneered plywood and epoxied to the floor. Is that so? Anybody have experience fabricating, installing, repairing or saving their sole?
Santeria
Mark lll Hull #626 - Mahone Bay, NS
Santeria
Mark lll ;Hull ;#626 - Mahone Bay, NS
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Check out <a href="http://www.lonsealspecialty.com">http://www.lonsealspecialty.com</a>. A number of us pooled our resources and bought a roll, enough to do seven boats (mostly C&C 27s). I haven't installed mine yet (some messy interior glasswork to do) but those who have really like it. It looks great and the big advantage is that you don't lose any appreciable headroom.
Ken Pole, Ottawa
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ken Pole, Ottawa
1975 Mark III Santiva
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Your sage person is right. See http://www.noahsboatbuilding.com/noahs/AMAZING/searchresult.asp?CartId={E40780EVEREST9E-BD17-41B6-83E2-6BB2F2B2207F}> Teak & holly sole.
I replaced mine because the previous owner had walked around down below wearing golf shoes (or something similar). I coated the ply with a penetrating epoxy and screwed it down (as per orig). I had the original as a template, which helped immeasurably. If you do it, make a pattern from cheap fir ply -- this laminate is expensive and you don't want to make mistakes. I cut the replacement off at the half-bulkheads to the galley, replacing the t&h with plastic mat that is typically used to cover the cockpit sole. This looks good, is non-skid and drains away any water that gets below.
That said, I wouldn't have done the job if I hadn't had that ruined original to deal with (and the holes it left when removed). Varnished teak-&-holly is slippery and water can be trapped underneath when it comes down the companion. It's a triumph of interior decoration over good sense.
I was aboard a Mk I many years ago for which the owner had bought a small oriental rug that just fitted the walk area between the dinette and settee. He rolled it up when sailing. It looked great and yet he still had the benefit of the non-skid fibreglass sole when underway.
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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As teak and holly plywood has become more expensive many boat builder have taken a simpler and less expensive route when clients ask for Teak and Holly soles. What they do is install a sheet of teak ply and over lay the plywood with thin strips of automotive type striping tape that is the same colour as holly. The big advantage (next to price) is that you don't have to worry about getting the holly stipes alingned with the centreline of the boat. You can take less care with the plywood install since the tape can go anywhere. A few coats of varnish and you can't tell the difference. At this year's Toronto boat show most teak and holly soles that I saw were really teak and tape.
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David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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I agree with David. We chartered a Hunter 44 a couple of years ago. The sole was fake teak and holly - looked like some sort of laminate material. Save a few hundred dollars and spoil a 1/2 million dollar boat. Why?
Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with modern materials particularly when they offer improved functions, so a laminate sole, particularly an easy-clean, non-skid sole is right up my alley. Teak-&-tape sounds like the worst of both worlds - probably slippery (a problem compounded by the fact that most of the cruising pigs I've seen in recent years have inadequate handholds below) and bound to look vile as soon as the tape starts to let go.
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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Easy clean, I don't know. Non skid, no way. Laminate is just as slippery as varnish or urathane finshes. And it looked awful.
I'm not suggesting that what you saw was attractive or practical - just that a sole material that is easy to clean and attractive would make more sense than teak-&-holly ply, which looks pretty but is a skating rink when wet, and it makes way more sense than an ugly imitation of teak-&-holly ply, which is what the Hunter material sounds like.
As an aside (another useless factoid), the Hunter material would actually be a bad imitation of a poor imitation, since teak-&-holly ply is merely a visual imitation of a real teak-&-holly sole, in which the holly strips are slightly raised and left unvarnished, so as to provide traction even when wet.
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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The PO for our new old Mk II did a very nice job. He used 1/4" teak/holly plywood and made the sole in two sections, split down the boat's midline. A couple of screws hold each piece in place against the glass sole. Looks just great. I took them up and put them out of the way while we renovate the boat to our liking.---------
1974 C&C 27 Mk II
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1974 Mark II C&C 27
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