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Retrofitted My Mk.2 with a newer deeper rudder. Have the original rudder available. It is in VG condition. No splits, cracks or seepage. The only repair required is to bush the tiller strap hole as it has ovalled as have most of them. Complete with the special bronze casting that acts as a retainer as well as a tiller stop.
Too heavy/ cumbersome to ship. Located Burlington Ontario. Best offer
Bob Honsberger
Burlington On 905-333-0665
rhonsbergeratSympatico.ca
Bob,
I am interested in how you replaced your rudder. I am planning to replace my Mk 1 also.
Warren Smith (AKA Tropical Warren)
Serendipity
Galveston Bay, Texas
Warren: I was fortunate to find a Mk.3/4 rudder from a serious racer who had a custom rudder made. The installation is quite simple as the shaft size is the same and the length is just a little longer which presents no problem. I had a SS collar made to retain the rudder in the tube, and a hole drilled to accomodate the tiller strap. Unfortunately, because of health reasons, I sold "Budge" but not before I had a good sail with this improved rudder. It really does enhance the performance and ease of handling. I might add that the "new" rudder is substanially lighter than the original and brought the stern up to it's waterline. Hope this helps.
Bob Honsberger
Burlington Ontario
Bob,
Thanks. Suppose you did not mike the shaft though. My unknown now is actual shaft diameter as I plan to make a new one before I pull the old one.
Warren:
Shaft diameter is 1 7/8". The "new" rudder was from a Mk.3 and it fit perfectly into the rudder tube of my Mk.2. As you may know, there are no bearings in the rudder tube as the entire brass tube is the bearing. Pack it with waterproof grease on installation of the rudder. I do hope that you were not affected from fallout from Katrina. Mind boggling destruction!
Warmest regards
Bob Honsberger Burlington Ontario
Bob,
Did you say BRASS? I thought all the shafts were stainless steel. Brass is a lot softer. Also, I know it is approximately 1 7/8, but others have said not exactly. I will have to make from scratch, so I need to know the exact diameter. Guess I will have to pull the rudder again to get it.
And thanks for concern about Katrina. NO is about 360 miles East, so we got only a slight increase in wind. The destruction is incredible.
Warren Smith (AKA Tropical Warren)
Serendipity
Galveston Bay, Texas
Warren:
The exact diameter of my rudder shaft is 1 7/8" and since the replacement rudder from a Mk3 is the same diameter, I have to assume that was the standard. I did not say the shaft was brass. The rudder TUBE is brass. The shaft is SS tube.
Bob Honsberger
Want this rudder out of my garage. FREE. You must pick it up as I will not package or ship.
Bob Honsberger
Burlington Ontario
905-333-0665
Former owner of "Budge"
Mark 2 Hull# 322
I am in the process of replacing a rudder on my MkIV. Bent it when I ran aground, and had to get towed (which bent the stock horribly). Ordered a higher performance rudder from FossFoam (the one in California) for a suspciously low price, but it is a fine looking rudder (vinylester, too). The previous owner ran the boat aground, too (I found out by searching this forum) but only shaved the top of the old rudder to allow it to swing past the skeg again. I always felt it handled oddly, and maybe the old rudder has water in it. Anyway, I sent the manufacturer the link to the sketch provided under Black Arts (thanks), even though he said he had made such a rudder before. I realized Friday that the stock is too thick by about 30K microns. I think I will hone out the tube. The other issues: if you have wheel steering, dismantling took over a day for the service people (the installer apparently did not treat bolts correctly) and holes in the new rudder stock must be drilled precisely; and, the little stick that comes down from the skeg (presumably to prevent crab trap lines and the like from snagging) needs to be chopped off to fit my new rudder. I will measure the old rudder stock again with a micrometer if anyone is interested.
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For some unkown reason, my rudder is no longer equipped with a tiller stop. When it isn't in my hand, it wants to be on the sole. Would you consider selling that piece?
Additional info: the tube in which the rudder stock is run is made of fiberglass on my boat (81 MKIV), not brass. this made honing it easier, of course. The rudder manufacturer must have used stock 80 ss pipe, which can vary around 30k microns in width, which is about as much as I had to hone.
Jim
"Over the Yardarm"
Palm Harbor, FL
Rich:
Yes I still have the rudder available.
Bob Honsberger
Burlington On.
905-333-0665
Bob,
I am assuming that since you used a Mk III rudder in your Mk II that they are interchangeable. I have a 1977 Mk III that suffered rudder damage during Hurricane/Tropical Storm Ernesto. If this is the case, I am interested. I know that you don't want to, but if we could strike a deal, would you re-consider packing and shipping?
Let me know.
Rich
Jacksonville, NC
[Read the section on Hyperion's New Rudder and Mark III Rudder in Black Arts before you leap into this. Many people have benefitted from putting a Mk III rudder on an earlier boat, but if you go the other way, you're really in "spoil the ship for the sake of a ha'penny worth of tar" territory. The earlier rudder is a creature very different from the Mk III item and the effects on handling are likely to be profoundly unpleasant, particularly since the Mk III's rudder post is 6" farther aft than the Mk I and Mk II post. - Admin]
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Do you still have it
Rich: Yes I still have the rudder. However, it will not work on your Mk.3 as the rudder tube is too short and would not extend through the cockpit floor.
For reasons unknown, my response to your previous enquiry ( as above) did not show up on the forum.
Sorry that I could not be of assistance to you.
Bob Honsberger
Burlington Ontario Canada
Former owner of "Budge" Mk.2
Pleased to advise that the rudder has found a new home on Lake Huron.
Reluctantly, after some fifty years of sailing a wide variety of boats, I have gone over to the dark side of power boats. Seems that with the onset of old age,pulling sheets and grinding winches becomes onerous. Starting twin engines is much easier.
My best wishes to all C&C 27 owners and in particular, all those who have contributed to this helpful forum.
Bob Honsberger Burlington Ontario
Former owner of hull #322 "Budge"
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