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Hi Folks,
as a prospective and first time purchaser of a C&C 27, I am interested in hearing from owners what to look out for as I peruse the market. Both good and bad.
And while on the topic of "bad", I've seen a few Mark III's with scary looking cracks in the gel-coat, usually running vertically from the waterline and upwards. Anyone have that problem and how did you deal with it?
There seem to be quite a few 27's without spinnaker gear. Any guesses as to what it costs to upgrade so that you can carry a spin?
And what's so terrible about Atomic 4's?
other comments?
thanks
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I answered a similar question under "Buying Mk III" a while back, so I will try not to repeat the points addressed there, most of which were about delaminating decks and worn-out gear. I forgot to mention that one boat I looked at had a crack in the main bulkhead above the passageway; I was told this is not uncommon, though I've only seen it once.
Fittings for a chute: pole, C$500; masthead block, linestopper & halyard, C$300; pole lift & downhaul, associated camcleats, C$350; sheet & guy, associated blocks, $250. I haven't given a mast track and car, since most boats I've seen have them (though the car is often sized for a whisker pole rather than a chute), nor have I priced winches as the winches and layout preferences are so varied (on our boat, for instance, we handle a chute with halyard winches, which are the old sheet winches).
There's nothing wrong with an A4 in good condition. Most of the people I know with A4's are very happy with them; they are quieter and smoother than all early diesels and many contemporary ones, if considerably thirstier. Do not let anyone tell you they are dangerous; in a lifetime of boating, I've only had direct experience of one gas-powered boat blowing up and that was the result of a union dispute leading to the placement of a small quantity of dynamite next to the gas tank (Oakville, ON, about 1966, made a bang that impressed everyone in town but to everyone's astonishment, didn't injure anyone seriously).
A4's in poor condition are a pain. Plus they are getting old; mine was running beautifully 3 years after a rebuild when suddenly it started showing water in the oil. It is being replaced by a diesel as I write.
I've never seen the crack you mention, so I will leave it to others to comment.
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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Dale, interesting you should mention water in the oil of your A4. My mechanic told me head gasket failure is very common with the A4 and that the factory has an upgrade. Last January, we had an oil leak at the transmission and had to pull the motor into the cabin so we took the opportunity to pull the head to replace the gasket - and lo and behold, water had already started to "clean" the carbon off one of the pistons. Talk about lucky. Anyway, I'm back in business, two new valves, a new head gasket and sans oil leak
The engine block is old (so old the oil filler is just above the transmission). It was rebuilt to replace the original in about 1997 or so and is fresh water cooled. It is running fine and oil consumtion is now very low.
My mechanic, by the way, is Robert Hess who is linked on this website <A href="http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Atomic_4_Eng_Service/index.htm">http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Atomic_4_Eng_Service/index.htm</A>
Fred
Lark
We pulled the head and the gasket was fine (when I discovered the problem, the engine was behaving magnificently, which made it all the more galling).
The problem lay deeper in the block and I didn't want to send another $3k chasing after the first for a second rebuild. This engine was also fresh-water cooled - I'll probably salvage the good components, such as the cooling system, electronic ignition and new alternator and sell them.
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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Dave,
I'd be interested in changing my A-4 to electronic ignition. Contact me pls.---
<A href="mailto:bosco@ripnet">bosco@ripnet</A> .
Clare Jordan
<U>SAIL FOR SALE </U>_
#2 Genoa for 27' Mk.111 by North Sails . Tri-radial cut, Norlam fabric, built 1998-- good shape . Window, tell-tales and draught stripe. Stitching etc. checked ;2001/2002 . #6 Luff tape .
Replacement Genoa is on order for 2004 racing season but there's some cruising years left in this one -$ 550 asking price. phone 613 498-2029 or e-mail <A href="mailto:bosco@ripnet.com">bosco@ripnet.com</A> <img src="emoticons/icon_frown.gif">Brockville)
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Changing the A4 to eletronic ignition is both an easy task and well worth doing.... I would suggest that you visit the Moyer Marine site and view their system which I believe is made by Pertronix and then visit Indigo Electronics for their system. I (an several others I know ) use the one made by Indigo, it is a bit more expensive but from experience it works great.
The biggest thing about changing over is removing the distributor to clean and relube the weights, other than that it is a very straight forward job.
"IRIS"
C&C 27 MKlll, 1975
Hull No 453
Kittery Point, Maine
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