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Registration of a vessel in Canada (equal to documentation in the US) used to be forever. However, while there is no new fee required, your documentation expires every three years and must be renewed. This happens automatically and without payment, as long as the Department of Transport has your current address (Towser just got her renewal, which is why I raise the issue). If you don't have a renewed registration document, you don't have valid ownership documents. If you have moved since you registered your boat and did not notify the Dept. of Transport, your documentation may have expired, which could lead to problems down the road.
This may also be true for a numbered vessel, though I have no information and would welcome informed comment from anyone who has investigated this issue.
Changes in vessel documentation form part of a general tightening of vessel registration/licensing that applies on both sides of the border (some of this is an overdue response to holes in legislation that allowed stolen boats to be traded openly; part of it is probably Homeland Hysteria nonsense).
Perhaps someone south of the border could comment on changes (if any) that would affect owners in the United States? Is there a comparable issue? Is there anything new that people need to do to ensure the continuity of legal registration - numbered or documented status - of their vessels?
Thanks,
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
Last edited by (2007-10-03 02:01:32)
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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Maybe I can help here, My C&C 27 is a documented vessel... there was only a one time charge, the Coast Guard does send out a sheet requesting any update on information on the vessel such as new address of boat and owner, was the vessel sold and to whom. The anuual cost is nothing but a stamp.
IRIS
1975 C&C 27 MKlll
Hull NO 453
Kittery Point, Maine USA
Some states require that federally documented vessels be registered with the state as well.
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
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Galveston, Tx
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">There are no new changes to the documentation process in the United States but there are several misconceptions. </SPAN>In the United States vessel documentation is a national form of registration. </SPAN>It is one of the oldest functions of our Government, dating back to the 11th Act of the First Congress. </SPAN>Originally, documentation was to provide conclusive evidence of nationality for international purposes and provided for unhindered commerce between the states. </SPAN>It also admitted vessels to certain restricted trades, such as coastwise trade and the fisheries. </SPAN>Since 1920, vessel financing has been enhanced through the availability of preferred mortgages on documented vessels. </SPAN>A preferred mortgage is a mortgage which is given status as a maritime lien. </SPAN>As such it enjoys a certain priority in the event of default. </SPAN>In addition, the Coast Guard is prohibited from making certain changes in documentation including, but not limited to, change of vessel ownership, name, and hailing port without consent of the mortgagee. </SPAN>For this reason many financial institutions require vessels which are eligible for documentation, and usually for vessels of considerable value, to be documented and to have preferred mortgages recorded against them. </SPAN>Later, vessel documentation became a way to avoid registering the boat with the state and thereby avoiding state taxes regarding sales and registration taxes. </SPAN>That loop-hole has been closed and today all documented vessels must comply with the laws of the state in which they are operated. </SPAN>I believe all states require state registration and to display the state decals showing that they have complied with the state requirements. </SPAN>I believe that a documented vessel, that is state registered and displaying the decals need not display State Registration Numbers but the vessel's current Certificate of Documentation must be shown to state law enforcement personnel upon their demand. </SPAN>A Certificate of Documentation is valid for one year from the date of issue, providing there are no changes other than a change of owner's address. </SPAN>I believe the one-time new Certificate of Documentation fee is 133.00. </SPAN>The Certificate must be renewed on an annual basis or it will expire. </SPAN>Even though it is up to the owner to assure the document does not expire, the Coast Guard will send a Notice of Renewal to the managing owner approximately 45 days prior to expiration. </SPAN>There is no fee for the yearly renewal, other than the cost of the stamp as was stated by Iris.</SPAN>Scott Schoeler, MKIII, "Scot-Free"
Scott Schoeler, Hull 858, "Scot-Free"
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Thank you to all who have contributed to this page.
There is a guide to Canadian vessel registration (the equivalent of documentation in the US) and licensing at http://boating.ncf.ca/license.html . In addition to delivering an overview, it provides links to government pages that answer most practical questions.
None of this deals directly with the issue raised in my first post, the 3-year term of registration documents, but it does make the point that you must have valid registration documents or you are liable to fines in Canada, or more serious problems if you cross the border.
It would appear that vessel licences do not yet expire as registration documents do, but that it is your sole responsibility to keep your address up to date.
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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I've realized from these conversations that I've not registered my boat, but it is licenced.
To quote the link shown:
All pleasure craft measuring 12 metres or less and powered by an engine 10 horsepower (7.5 kW) or more must be licensed or registered. Licensing is the normal choice for a pleasure craft. Legally and cost-wise, licensing and registration are very different legally, as well as your time and cost. A licensed boat is marked with "numbers", a registered boat with a "name and port". License requirements are listed in the Small Vessel Regulations of the Canada Shipping Act.
I'm confused regarding your statement, David, that it does make the point that you must have valid registration documents or you are liable to fines in Canada, or more serious problems if you cross the border.
Why would you be liable to fines if it's not necessary to register a pleasure boat under 12m?
I have crossed this year several times using my Nexus card to the US. They are aware of my licence, have seen the licence document, and both the US and Canadian border services have linked the Nexus card to the licence number on their computer systems. What am I missing?
Gord
Aurora '75 MKIII, Windsor
[em]Gord Richardson</SPAN>
Aurora - C&C 27 MK III</SPAN>
Windsor, Ontario</SPAN>[/em]
Gord Richardson
Aurora - C&C 27 1975 MK III
Windsor, Ontario
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Sorry, Gord – sloppy writing on my part. The sentence should have read "valid registration or licence documents". I was using registration in a general sense, that in this context is inappropriate. Clearly, you're not missing anything.
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
Last edited by (2007-10-03 23:18:25)
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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Does registration and licencing automatically get renewed after 3 years or just registration.
Sean,
Mischief Mk111
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