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I am looking at one of these boats and am interested in answers to the following questions from knowledgable individuals. I have owned a larger 30 ft. crusier in the past, but have been sailing a J-22(great boat) for the past 9 years. My wife misses the old Catalina 30 tall rig (another great boat) which we ordered from the factory and owned for 17 years. She doesn't really like the J22.
I am looking for compromise between the two. Something between in size but yet with performance. I won't do much racing, but would like to have a good sailing boat. Also, she wants some of the interior systems from the 30 days; i e, marine head, standing headroom, ice chest, etc. We will be sleeping on the boat only occasionally, mostly day sailing.
My questions are:
1. Does the boat sail to its rating of 174? Is it tender? Is a 135% headsail large enough for most wind conditions?
2. Can I get four middle aged adults in the cockpit comfortably?
2. Do these boats typically have deck leaks? I get concerned about balsa cores, but the deck looks good. Window leaks? Around the hatch?
3. Are the hulls stiff enough with the intergated structural lining? Any weak points in the hull? Any problems with keel to stub joint? Do the boats have a history of blisters? How was quality control in the mid eighties at C&C?
4. How do the plastic stanchion bases hold up? How about the hull to deck joint?
Any other comments from owners based on experience would be appreciated.
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I have sailed a 1985 Mark V since my purchase in June-previously sailed a C&C24. The mark V with a 135 genoa, roller furling and 700 lbs. of crew will get a phrf of 183-I think. I think the 174 number assumes no roller furling and a 1000 lb. crew weight with a 155 genoa. My boat sails to 183 (when we trim properly). I think that a 155 would make my boat pretty tender if the breeze got above 10-12 kts. I think the boat is somewhat more tender than the 24. It sails nicely at about a 15 dg. heel until the wind gets over 14-15, then it pushes over so that you often brace your feet against the opposite seat. For our racing on LI Sound, the 135 is fine unless we get down to the 1 kt summer evening drifter. Even with the 135, above 12 kts we are heeled while racing more than would be comfortable for a day sail.
There have never been more than 3 in the cockpit so far with one exception, but 4 adults were fine that one time-a leisurely daysail which included a 5th )a toddler). A tacking duel in a breeze with 4 would require some planning when the driver put the tiller over.
Leaks- the windows do leak and I will replace/rebed this off season. I have another leak, haven't figured out from where yet-maybe a cabin-top winch? maybe the chain plates?
The problem with all cored decks is that the screws,bolts, electricals should be rebedded or you can have bad luck and get soft spots (as my 24 did). So far, my 27 seems OK. My crummy plastic stanchions seem to be fine.
It is a really nice sailing boat and feels much bigger than a J22 ( which I have only sailed once). You should take a test drive if you have never sailed a c&C-you will be impressed compared to a Catalina of any length..
copasetic
I owned a C&C 27 Mark V on Lake Lanier in Georgia for about 4 years and sold it about 7 years ago. It is for sale again by the Snug Harbor brokerage. The current owner has replaced the sails and electronics, which is a major improvement over the originals I had. The two problem areas I had to deal with were leakage around the cabin ports and blisters on the hull. When I bought the boat it had large blisters, and when I sold it, it had blisters. What it needed was a good barrier coat . The current owner may have taken care of that. Otherwise the hull is stiff, I never had any problems with oil canning. I did not have any problems with hatch or joint leaks.
It is a fast 27 footer and is easy to sail. I would often single-hand it and would often not even use the engine for docking or departures. It turns on a dime and was very predictable in a blow, it is not tender with a 135%.
I can recommend the C&C 27 Mk V, especially if the blister problems are under control. It is a great day sailer and will accommodate weekend over night cruises for close friends. I would be glad to answer specific questions if you want to discuss directly.
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1. THEY SAIL TO THEIR RATING
2. THEY ARE STIFF IN A BREEZE (NOT TENDER) - WHEN SAILED PROPERLY
3. RACE WITH A CREW OF 5 ON THE RAIL - IT'S FASTER
4. DECKS ARE PRETTY SOLID - WATCH FOR WET SPOTS AROUND THE MAST, THE WIRING HARNESS (AT THE MAST) AND THE BABY STAY
5. BLISTERS CAN BE A PROBLEM - HAVE THE HULL INSPECTED
JIM
jim, if you do not have 5 on the rail, would you say the mark v might be a little tender? what do you mean by "sailed properly". Any tips?
copasetic
Southern Sailor,
Hope your evaluation of the C&C 27 is going well. I used to own the boat and found it to be an excellent sailing craft. I currently have my Wayfarer sailboat for sale on the Canadian and US Wayfarer websites, and can be reached though those ads. I live in Canton, GA so if I can give you any advise on the boat I would be glad to do so.
Based on the Snug Harbor brokerage pics, it looks like the interior of the boat has not be touched in 20 years. Hope you enjoy the boat!
more weight on the rail is always better - for Mum 30s, Farr 40s, and even C&C 27s. That being said we race with three all the time. Not as fast in a breeze, but not a problem.
The boat is stiff - but in a breeze you must feather in the puff, and play the main traveller. (some factory boats had a traveller with stops - if that's the case you'll have to change to an adjustable traveller you can adjust while sitting on the rail)
Jim W
Distant Thunder
Jim, thanks for your tips on getting the best out of the Mark V (in both of these forum topics). My traveler- a Schaefer- is not smoothly adjustable. Maybe I need to check out the car? Also, I need to find a crew person who is quite a bit younger than my present crew and me (average age 65) who can stay on the rail and manage the traveller.
Also, I am used to driving on the lee side so I can rely on the jib telltales-so when the breeze/heel step up, I should learn to drive from the high side.
copasetic
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