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">I’ve read through the discussions in the forum and the black arts section on replacing and relocating the traveller on my Mk 1. I need to replace the traveller itself - it has seen better days. I would like to relocate it to the bridgedeck a la Mk III. I have a few issues I am trying to resolve before doing this and spending $ on a new system, so if anyone has any input it would be appreciated:</SPAN>
">- I have been looking at different systems. I know Harken seems to be most popular on the forum. However, I was looking at a Garhauer system - the MT-2TP - <A href="http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=34">http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=34</A> - which seems similar, has a double track, recirculating ball car, is less expensive (about 60%) and has a 10 year warranty. Any experience with Garhauer?</SPAN>
">- The mainsheet will have to be relocated part way up the boom. It would make sense that the new attachment would be more or less directly above the traveller. Is this correct? Would I still be able to use my dodger?</SPAN>
">- The system I am looking at has the lines feeding aft through a cam cleat at each end of the traveller. This seems to me to be a reasonable compromise solution for me (day sailing, cruising with some racing thrown in) and so it can be adjusted by crew or helmsman. </SPAN>
">- I notice that the backing plates in the black arts examples are aluminum. Is this a good idea with steel screws.</SPAN>
">Thanks</SPAN>
If the track is well bedded, the dissimilar metals shouldn't make a significant difference. If they were underwater, it would be an issue. - Admin
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Greg Tokarz,
Nepenthe, C&C 27 Mk1, Hull #73
National Yacht Club, Toronto
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Just installed a new #1 Lewmar traveller on my Mk III. 350 bucks from my fav chandlery. No new holes or problems...system is clean and neat. My mainsheet is less than a foot from the end of the boom and I have a large permanent dodger (westcoast cruiser) that does not interfere. The cleats are on the car which is a must due to the hatches. I only had to raise the track 3/16 of and inch for clearance which, much to my surprise, actually has it sitting lower than the original track.
Will send a picture if you like.
Pyrite
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Thanks. I was thinking that isolating the dissimilar metals would be a solution and allow the use of an aluminum backing plate.
Greg Tokarz
Nepenthe
Mk1, Hull #75
Greg Tokarz,
Nepenthe, C&C 27 Mk1, Hull #73
National Yacht Club, Toronto
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Thanks Pyrite.
I would appreciate seeing a photo or 2 of the traveler installation. You can send it to me or as suggested post it on the Black Arts page.
Re the location of the cleats - I see your point about the cleat being on the car and not interfering with the locker doors. My thought about the system with the cleat at each end of the track is that it would be easier for crew to adjust when tacking when racing.
By the way, what chandlery did you use?
Greg
Greg Tokarz
Nepenthe
Mk1, Hull #75
Greg Tokarz,
Nepenthe, C&C 27 Mk1, Hull #73
National Yacht Club, Toronto
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Greg, for what it's worth, Practical Sailor gave the Garhauer unit a rave review in its April 2006 issue. Their products might seem a little, um, Soviet in the way they're built, but they're great -- and from a perusal of general Garhauer feeback in PS, they stand firmly behind their products. I've switched all my blocks and line clutches to Garhauer and plan to do likewise eventually with the mainsheet traveller.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa
Ken Pole, Ottawa
1975 Mark III Santiva
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Ken.
I assume by "soviet" you mean heavily built. From all I've read (including the Practical Sailor article), they are tough systems. Also, there was some discussion in a sailing forum (SailNet?) on the quality of their blocks.
I got a quote of $400 for a complete traveler system including track, end stops, car and all blocks. That contrasts with the Harken system that West Marine quoted at $795. Unless I hear any reasons against, I think I'll go with the Garhauer.
Greg
Greg Tokarz
Nepenthe
Mk1, Hull #75
Greg Tokarz,
Nepenthe, C&C 27 Mk1, Hull #73
National Yacht Club, Toronto
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Yeah, Garhauer builds their hardware the way the Russkies build rocket boosters. <IMG src="http://www.cc27association.com/f3/toast/emoticons/icon_lol.gif" border=0>
That said, since I'm a PS subscriber, I could download the article and e-mail to you.
Ken Pole
1975 Mark III Santiva
Ottawa
Ken Pole, Ottawa
1975 Mark III Santiva
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Thanks Ken.
I'd appreciate that. My email is on my profile
Greg
Greg Tokarz
Nepenthe
Mk1, Hull #75
Greg Tokarz,
Nepenthe, C&C 27 Mk1, Hull #73
National Yacht Club, Toronto
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The traveller replacement page has been updated with the addition of Lewmar gear. The first one of you Garhauer fans to submit pics that don't have a thumb over the lens will see international fame and glory in Black Arts.
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Greg,
The Chandlery was Waypoint Marine LTD in Sidney BC. I might have got the traveller at cost, I don't know. Mark and George treat me very well. If they don't have it they will find it, and usually beat everyone else on cost.
Michael
Pyrite
Thanks Michael.
By the way, just got your email (had some problems with my email the last couple of weeks). Don't bother with the expense of sending the article on Garhauer (reason to become apparent).
As an update on my search for a traveler system. I returned to the supplier's shop on Saturday. 2 glitches: 1) he didn't have the system I wanted in his catalogue - he had quoted an a different system, but more importantly 2) he said delivery could be up to 3 months. I guess I will not be buying a Garhauer.
After that news, I went to 2 other chandleries to get quotes - neither was very helpful. I guess I won't be ordering through them, whatever the manufacturer I end up with.
GregGreg Tokarz
Nepenthe
Mk1, Hull #75
Greg Tokarz,
Nepenthe, C&C 27 Mk1, Hull #73
National Yacht Club, Toronto
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