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The 27 Association has received an offer of a special pricing on sails for our boats from TackSails of Hudson, Quebec. The prices are attractive (the price of a main is about 75% of the fall price of a Canadian-made main), so we have decided to pass the offer on to the membership. TackSails will ship to Canadian and US members.
PLEASE NOTE:
1. This is not an endorsement by the Association, its executive or the site admin - it's information that we are passing on because we think it's worthy of your consideration. We have not seen the product and we have no opinions about the product. The decision to purchase is like the decision to embark on a race or cruise - whether you go ahead or not is entirely up to you.
2. TackSails has extended this offer to 27 Association paid-up members. Being registered on the Forum doesn't count. If you want to become an Association member so you can take advantage of the deal, this will be considered your 2007 membership.
Now to the offer from Bryan Bowser of TackSails:
"Greetings:
"The sails are made by Rolly Tasker in Thailand. I visited the loft this past
spring and was very impressed. The management is basically Australian, the labor is Thai and the materials (cloth) are mostly North American. They do however make their own rope and
injection mold some basic fittings on site. Tasker has been building sails
for over 40 years. What makes these sails great value is partly due to the
efficiency of the loft, but also the inexpensive Thai labour (even though they
are considered to be well paid there).
"The cross cut main and genoas are double stitched and built with
performance dacron (USA).
"The mains are quoted with one set of reef points, 6 sail numbers,
cunningham, C&C insignia, flostripe, leechline, sailbag and ties).
"The genoas are quoted with a window, telltales, bag, flostripe, and leech
line.
"The spinnaker is a 3/4 ounce tri-radial racing chute.
"Here's a list of fall special prices for C&C 27 Association Members. Prices are quoted in Canadian dollars. [Multiply by .85 to get an approximate US dollar price - Admin]
Model Genoa Overlap Main Radial Hd Spinnaker
C&C 27 Mark 1 1431.30 165% 1161.32 1623.81
C&C 27 Mark 2 1511.10 165% 1095.90 1717.68
C&C 27 Mark 3 1501.42 155% 1190.92 1811.54
C&C 27 Mark 4 1515.83 165% 1190.92 1723.24
C&C 27 Mark 5 1253.50 155% 1244.36 1501.11
"A deposit of 25% is required to place the order. Delivery can be in February, March, April or May (some people don't want to pay for their sails until just before the sailing season so they have a choice).
Best regards,
Bryan Bowser
TackSails"
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I have been contemplating a new main sail but having difficulty deciphering the price list at the bottom of the posting. I am assuming that a new main for a Mk III would be $1501.42 but not sure what the genoa size and pricing is.
Thanks for any help.
The Marshall's
Hotel California
Dryden Ontario
Thanks to the Class Association Executive and the website admin for considering and publicizing offers such as this one. I’m all for potential bulk purchases and discount pricing made available to Class Association members, but wish to add a few thoughts about sail purchases in general and this offer in particular…
I’d suggest that the single most important factor in choosing a new sail is not price, reputation, performance, quality, or location, but rather who you’re buying it from. If you establish a healthy relationship with almost any loft or it’s representative, then the other factors will align themselves to match your specific needs.
Yes, there are variables in pricing, but sail purchase choices made on a cost-only basis are no different from any consumer product – you get what you pay for!
Which brings us to the offer from Tack Sails…
The special prices aren’t much different from the regular “Pricing” section of Tack Sail’s website. In the case of a Mk III, it’s 5% less for the genoa, 1% less for the main, and 3% more for the spinnaker.
You’ll be hard-pressed to get a confirmed answer as to the sailcloth (manufacturer, weight, and style) to be used for these sails. Some mass-production lofts in the Far East buy in bulk based on price (there’s that ugly purchasing-based-on-price thing again!), sometimes end-of-line or seconds, and even if manufactured in US, they’re cloths often not sold to the North American market.
Aftersales service (warranty or otherwise) could be challenging for sails made in Thailand and distributed from Quebec.
Most telling, however, is the comment from Tack Sails website that “In most cases, we already have the right dimensions for your boat”. C&C 27’s have a multitude of cutback measurements at the gooseneck, different outhaul connections, unique inboard genoa track locations, and furling gear with varying lengths and drum heights. All these details and others should be considered when designing and building sails for your boat.
In Toronto (where many C&C 27’s and their owners live) there’s already an established distributor for Rolly Tasker Sails (ShoreLine Sails at www.shorelinesails.com has been around for several years). Is Wayne Gooderham involved in this offer?
In my humble opinion (and opinions are worth exactly what you paid for ‘em!), if you must go the mail-order route for sails, check out FX Sails (www.fxsails.com). Someone at our club bought a main and genoa from them last year, they’re the equivalent of Rolly Tasker in quality and construction using known sailcloth, and are even a bit cheaper than Task Sail’s quote.
In my (even humbler!) opinion overall, I’d suggest sticking with a local loft that understands your requirements, your boat, and the conditions you sail in. If the sails are made locally (often not the case, even with the biggies nowadays), that’s even better! They may appear to cost a few dollars more, but that expense should provide a product better designed, spec’d, assembled, and serviced to meet your needs.
Oh yeah, and for the purpose of full disclosure, I should mention that I derive some income from the sailmaking and sailcloth manufacturing industries!
Cheers,
Tal ../)../)..
Critical Path
C&C 27 Mk III #632
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Sorry - dropped the title line over the prices.
-Admin
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Response to TalW’s post..
Establishing healthy relationships with customers is certainly of great importance. However, we firmly believe that quality, performance, and price are very important factors to consider when making considerable equipment purchases.
Our sails are built with performance Dacron (Bainbridge or Contender) manufactured in the USA. The material is bought in large quantities and that savings is ultimately passed on to the consumer. There is nothing substandard about the materials used.
Most good sails don't require service for a long time and ours are certainly no exception. Double stitching on all the seams and premium materials make for a well-built sail.
If you happen to tear a sail on a spreader, we're more than willing to fix it. However, most people just have it patched at the closest loft to avoid the time it takes to drive or ship it to the dealer. Summer is too short!
We have dimensions for thousands of boats. Every owner and their boat are unique. Additional information is always needed when ordering a sail (sail numbers, tack cut back, UV protection, etc..).
These are not mail order sails. Forums, websites and email are simply a convenient means for someone to consider a sail purchase without leaving the comfort of their home or office.
Bryan Bowser
TackSails
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