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Has anyone taken apart the icebox or have some understanding of the drain connection? My icebox is leaking into my otherwise dry bilge. I think the hose connection to the drain is loose.
Thanks
Bruce
Scalliwag
See what happens when you start tinkering with one element of a complex system? You've replaced blissful ignorance with fretful concern.
First, you stopped your dripping shaft seal, now you realize that the water is coming from somewhere else. It's almost as bad as replacing one element of your sound system - buy new speakers and they scream, "Where'd you get that amp, loser? Out of a '56 Plymouth?" Replace that and the hiss forms itself into the words, "That's not a bad source for a 45 rpm Seabreeze Portable. Too bad it's disguised as a CD player."
There's no more slippery a slope than a boat.
David Weatherston
Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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Towser, Toronto
C&C 27 Mk IV
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I recall that on my MKII the hose from the icebox drain is accessible from the back of the battery area. In the far back corner there was a small triangular opening. On Pura Vida I simply pulled the pump out and left the hose draining into the bilge. I put food in a soft sided cooler while ice and drinks go into a plastic bucket and then all go into the icebox. When the ice melts I poor it down the sink drain. No fuss or mess and very little spilling into the bilge. Keeping in line with David's comments look to the mast for the next leak.
Mike M
SV Pura Vida
#375
Galveston Bay
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SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
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On LARK (Mk III), we have a pump under the sink that drains the ice box. But we end up with water on the sole when healing fairly hard, but not while under power. Not too sure why, but would like to fix it. Draining the water into the bildge is no biggie in my opinion, unless you lose gallons before you pump the bildge.
Fred
LARK
Hi Fred,
Your problem with water from the icebox getting onto the sole (or into the bilge---where food residue from the icebox can lead to some nasty odours) is due to the end of the hand pump's discharge hose being lower than the level of the water in the icebox when on starboard tack. An easy solution is to drill a 1/16 inch hole through the plastic at the tip of the hose and fix a wire hook into it. Put a screw in the inside edge of the doorframe, up about 20 inches or more . Hook the end of the hose up there so it stays well above the water level in the icebox (even on stbd!).
Clare Jordan - Aragorn
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Correction:
The water drainage from the icebox onto the cabin sole or into the bilge is a PORT tack problem. ( No wonder all those other skippers are hollering at me during our races !!!)
Clare - Aragorn
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Replacement Genoa is on order for 2004 racing season but there's some cruising years left in this one -$ 550 asking price. phone 613 498-2029 or e-mail <A href="mailto:bosco@ripnet.com">bosco@ripnet.com</A> <img src="emoticons/icon_frown.gif">Brockville)
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Bruce,
I should be able to tell you that answer soon, the icebox is my next major project - the countertop is destroyed (particleboard has exploded) due to a leak with prior owner, I have to rip it all out and will also run conduit for wiring on the port side. Also I have considered downsizing the box - much too big for my use.
I do have some suggestions, however. Keep all food in containers - fruits & vegies etc. in tupperware like bowls with ventilated lids, & build a strip shelf to fit nicely above the V bottom on one side - quite handy. Use an empty gallon milk jug to catch the drain water - it's fresh, reasonably clean and can be used for washing hands, general purpose cleaning, etc. A spring clip or valve on the drainline allows you to drain at will. Mechanically very simple. On a previous boat I also rigged a dispensing spigot (from a dead water dispenser) to use - very handy. I use only block ice (I make in my freezer) - lasts a lot longer.
Warren Smith (AKA Tropical Warren)
Serendipity
Galveston Bay, Texas
Thanks Clare...your answer is so simple it comes under the heading, "why didn't I think of that!" And now I will fix it.
We tend to keep only beer cans and those ubiquitous water bottles in the bottom of the ice box - veggies and such go in the removable container that fits in there above the ice, so we don't have a problem with contamination as such. But we do like to leave the water in the ice box for some time as it is still cold and keeps the beer cold.
Fred
LARK
ICEBOX TIP- While we're on the subject of iceboxes and their use; It's nice to have ice in a drink at the end of a day's sailing while on a cruise but we always found that cubed ice pretty much melted away by the end of day two. Leaning into the bowels of the icebox with a knife to chip chunks off the blocks was neither very safe nor sanitary.
Solution-- Take a small (6 pack size) well insulated cooler. Place it in your freezer at home a day or two before leaving for a cruise. Fill it with home-made ice cubes and transfer it to the inside of your boat's icebox when you leave. (The 27's icebox is large enough that you won't miss the volume). Keep the lid on the cooler except when retrieving cubes. The cubes will last 5 + days inside the cool icebox and as a bonus, if you want to stay out another day but you're low on ice and still have a few perishables left, place them in the cooler inside the icebox with your remaining ice and drink your rum and coke warm that last day.
Clare Jordan
Great tips, Clare, especially the solution for the spillage on the sole.. Thanks..
Gord Richardson, CC27 III "Aurora", Windsor, Ontario
Has anyone put in refrigeration?
We have bantered the thought around. (new inboard first!) We now have an new cooler that keeps ice up to 6 days. I actually have to melt and drain the cooler when we get home after an extended weekend (6 sleeps) out! This is one of the benifits to an outboard we have an amazing large storage space where the
A4 used to be. (hey we have to claim benifits when we find them!)
Alex (Hermione)
WVYC
hull 182
[Look back in the Forum for the threads "the ice locker" and "Refrigeration" for chat about various makes of refrigeration units and associated issues - Admin].
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I breifly looked into refrigeration and decided not to pursue it. There is plenty of room to install the system but the batteries and charging system required seemed to be the limiting issue. If most of the time was spent hooked to shore power it would not be too much of an issue. Personally I'm planning on an extended sabbatical in the Keys and Bahamas in a few years (1556 days to go) and would need a refrigeration system that could take the heat of the tropics. Also as a long term cruiser the 27 is short on storage so using the ice box storage is the way I plan to go. Here on Galveston Bay a cooler will last about a day if care is taken in removing food and drinks. While in the Bahamas a few years ago we could keep ice for only two days. So I guess how practical the project is depends on the location and type of use it will get. Now a water maker on the other hand...
Mike M
SV Pura Vida
#375
Galveston Bay
Mike M
SV Wind Horse
#375
Galveston, Tx
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Cruising with ice for refrige is an art.
The key to long life refrigeration is BLOCK ICE. My last trip to the Fla Keys I was out on charter 10 days (8 people), and came into the bank once to reprovision. We used the boat ice box for fruits, veggies, lunch meat etc., and had one active box started 1/2 full of block ice. Another chest had only ice - full of block ice. If you choose to ice down beer & sodas - you triple the need, we iced a 5gal water jug daily and mixed instant drinks by the mug - ice tea, etc. And also, I find the store-bought crushed ice lasts about 1/3 as long as block ice. Another good act is to fill gallon jugs progressively in your home freezer (freeze them full to seal), and use the water as it melts. If you package carefully, ice box drain water can be used for general washing, etc. Water management is another subject the warrants discussion by itself.
Warren Smith (AKA Tropical Warren)
Serendipity
Galveston Bay, Texas
ICE BOX CONSTRUCTION DETAILS (MK II)
Reference my much earlier post on the ice box area, I have opened that mess to proceed with re-building as I want it. I have some pictures on the tear-out and will have more of the whole project. The ice box has about 1/2 inch of very pitiful insulation on it, and the whole area wastes a lot of space as far as I am concerned. This project will allow me to properly wire 12V and 110V down the port side with decent servicing access (not in bilge or under liner!). I need 110 over there for the microwave and TV/CD Player!
Unfortunately, C&C obviously chose to install before the deck was put on the boat, and removal requires either destruction of the icebox or major removal of bulkheads. The icebox is screwed to the particleboard (covered with melamine/Formica on both sides) countertop from underneath, all around. On my boat the previous owner allowed a long standing leak which exploded this stuff, and the only thing holding the box up were the screws holding on to the the lower melamine surface. I can imagine what would have happened if I had loaded that box like I was going for a cruise. There is no bracing underneath - it would have dropped a few inches. Today I will proceed with cutting the box to pieces to remove it. By the way, the steel drain fitting on it is rusted beyoud use. The same problem was encountered on my water tank, only they were rusted completely closed!
If anyone wants pictures of this stuff, I will share.
Warren Smith (AKA Tropical Warren)
Serendipity
Galveston Bay, Texas
I would love to see some pictures. I have long considered doing something practical with my ice box. I always assumed it must have pathetic insulation by the rate at which it consumes ice. I have even considered simply building a new box within the old box but have never figured out the drain situation adequately.
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When I get the box out, I will have a complete set of pictures for anyone who wants them, probably next weekend (unless we have good sailing weather). Drain choices are basically: 1) drain to bilge (with or without cut-off of some kind), 2) mount a small spigot so you can use the melted ice water if desired, or 3) make a sump like a shower sump with pump and float going out to bilgepump or sink thruhull.
Warren Smith (AKA Tropical Warren)
Serendipity
Galveston Bay, Texas
UPDATE
If you intend to remove the ice box - something has to be demolished. The ice chest is screwed to the countertop from underneath, and the bulkheads are all screwed together from both sides. On Serendipity, the top made of particleboard had exploded from water damage, so my choice was simple.
There is a lot of wasted space under there.
Warren Smith (AKA Tropical Warren)
Serendipity
Galveston Bay, Texas
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